so we're at the beginning, i think, of some really structural changes in the health care environment. and we'll see where they end up. >> rose: and washington is not dealing with the issue. >> no, not candidly not well. >> rose: can't get beyond-- you know-- recently it was able to extend the meddle-- middle class tax cuts and not, tend the tax cuts for people who made $250,000 household income. >> and good but not responsive to the issue, right. the issue of whether tax rate was go up on wealthy is an interesting one. it's certainly politically charged. but it contributes over ot ten year period round number 6 to 700 billion. barely touches the issue. and so the issue didn't become how do we deal with this intermediate term crisis, it's not long term any more i believe it's intermediate term, it's how do we deal with this fiscal cliff of the moment. >> rose: and even newt gingrich said it is not the place republicans ought to make the fight because in the end they will do something. but if it doesn't happen, then people like you and others will descend on washington to force some res